Fictional written narrative which can be regarded as novel is a relatively recent phenomenon in Urdu literature. Over a period of about 135 years, how Urdu novel evolved to its present day form is summarized in this brief conversation by BBC senior producer, writer and Urdu Adab enthusiast Arif Waqar Sahib. This Valueversity pod cast is in two parts, each part comprises of less than 10 minutes duration. If you are interested in Urdu literature, please listen and enjoy!